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While I really would like a dragon defender, I DON'T want it to come from the PvP shop.
05-Sep-2014 13:07:01
Can the Dragon defender or anything related to it PLEASE come from something else than PVP? I like earning the defender myself, but as I don't PK/PVP at all and I'm not planning to do so in the future either, this sounds ridiculously stupid as the access to the Dragon defender would be in the hands of PVPers either way if you put this in the game? Please separate D-Defender from PVP rewards completely. I'm a long time PVE/skilling player ranking in the top 400's or so, and never have I been so tempted to quit over something still in the development stage. This is practically forcing PVP on us or at least letting the small minority reap a MASSIVE benefit, especially in the first few weeks and possibly longer as the D-Defender reverts to rune on death. I know individuals willing to pay absolutely ludicrous amounts for a D-Defender no matter how small the stat increase would be, wouldn't be surprised if it's price peaked in tens of millions. This is something that was done infinitely better in the main game, keep the defenders coming from the Warrior's guild and DO NOT add them in the PVP shop in term of "tokens" or "spikes" or well - ANY form.
05-Sep-2014 17:47:58
I like the other ideas, but Dragon Defender coming from PVP is a deal-breaker. It should not come from PVP. The main game that had it's share of horrible updates did this one infinitely better, with the warrior guild and cyclops boss, with NO PVP INCLUDED. Simple as that. Posted about this earlier but received no response.
05-Sep-2014 18:30:55
Jeza said: As I said, make a poll to make items untradeable as to take away their "street value" and let people decide if they want to pk or not. Not who has the most cash can just buy it from other people. Disagreed 100%. Dragon defender should not be coming from PVP in the first place, too.
i think all the rewards should be untradable. As a zerker, some of the best item slots I can get are from quests,minigames etc etc. Without having to pay masses of money I mean. This update is solely to bring more people into the wilderness back into it's hype as it was in 2007. If pvmers did want a dragon defender, go gain the points from it in pvp like you would from barbarian assault for a torso, or pest control for void. If you don't then use a rune defender like you have been for the past year and a bit. As for skillers, they just got a massive update in the wilderness r*juv, check the hunter xp gains since it came out.
05-Sep-2014 18:50:58
Jeza said: I agree I don't want a dragon defender at all, but things like clue boxes to stop you from losing your clue scroll in the wilderness, I feel if it helps you in the wilderness then it should come from the wilderness. Of course, since that actually makes sense. Dragon Defender on the other hand is the best offensive item in shield shot, used by pretty much every PVMer in game, it should not come from PVP if they decide to implement it. I'd rather have no dragon defender than get it in game this way.
05-Sep-2014 18:58:47
rs-rotnet said: Seriously, defender shouldn't be buyable from a pvp store whatsoever. You're stupid. You have to buy the Dragon Spike from the BH store and then gain access to the new berserk cyclops at the warriors guild. If anything, this version of dragon defenders are harder and more expensive to obtain than ever. Quit complaining about absolutely every thing and maybe we'd see some progression to this game. It's a defender with like +1 strength bonus over the Rune counterpart, shut up. Still best in slot considering offense. In PVM. Should not come from PVP.
StarDerp said:
The defender change, changes nothing. At all.
05-Sep-2014 19:12:26
mg�e said: Still best in slot considering offense. In PVM. Should not come from PVP. No it's not. Dfs is +7 strength, that is best. Offense = Strength and attack
Beatrix said:
05-Sep-2014 19:18:54
mg�e said: Still best in slot considering offense. In PVM. Should not come from PVP. No it's not. Dfs is +7 strength, that is best. Offense = Strength and attack Attack accuracy is still luck based, and means nothing when you're 99 attack fighting against someone with low defense such as 1-45. Most people care about strength bonus, not accuracy because the difference is visible in higher numbers unlike with attack you never know. Because it's not clearly visible, it doesn't mean it isn't there. Strength is just as luck-based, but you can see the high (and low) hits. Your logic is so faulty I am facepalming with both hands right now. And, my entire point was that the D-Defender will be used by PVMers and here's a news flash for you, most high end bosses and even monsters have 70+ defense. Going full STR ignoring ATK is really dumb at that point.
Beatrix said:
mg�e said:
Beatrix said:
05-Sep-2014 19:31:49
Thelf said: I am afraid that if bounty hunter is limited to one world, the event will die out much quicker. 1. Bounty hunter targets can be given as long as both players are in the wilderness, the world does not matter. 2. The bounty hunter tool will tell you the world of your target and point an arrow to that target. 3. If bounty hunter is limited to one world, it will die out quickly, because a lot of people that lose interest in bounty hunter will just switch worlds and eventually the activity will die out when people lose interest. Sounds like someone wants to be rewarded for killing black chin hunters and lava dragon killers etc... ._.
You guys need to make it so that a target can be given on any world as long as that target is in the wilderness, this will allow bounty hunter to be more popular for a longer time, rather than being extremely popular for a couple of months because of the hype and then completely dying out.
05-Sep-2014 19:55:58
Poop said: You forcing all the players to Go pking in bh. While we dont pk for a reason. And stop doing such stupid pk/bh updates. Are you serious? all these people saying you're forced to PK for D Defender; you CANNOT trade the defender, what you buy is essentially a ticket to have the CHANCE at a defender from the BH store, or straight up from another player; you still get the defender from the Warriors Guild So in the end you have to PVP or buy from someone who does just for a CHANCE to get a dragon defender? No way in hell. Just put the cyclops boss in the warriors guild and let us access it by normal means, not this BH crap being shoveled down PvE players' throat. I'm regretting my yes-vote for BH already, that is the last time I vote for content I won't use. I rather have no dragon defender than have it implemented like this.
Sjoerd said:
Just put in the Dragondefencer @the Warriors guild as a normal drop
This is just so stupid.
There are not even much pkers/bhers
05-Sep-2014 21:48:09 - Last edited on 05-Sep-2014 21:49:30 by Beatrix
Poop said: You forcing all the players to Go pking in bh. While we dont pk for a reason. And stop doing such stupid pk/bh updates. Are you serious? all these people saying you're forced to PK for D Defender; you CANNOT trade the defender, what you buy is essentially a ticket to have the CHANCE at a defender from the BH store, or straight up from another player; you still get the defender from the Warriors Guild So in the end you have to PVP or buy from someone who does just for a CHANCE to get a dragon defender? No way in hell. Just put the cyclops boss in the warriors guild and let us access it by normal means, not this BH crap being shoveled down PvE players' throat. I'm regretting my yes-vote for BH already, that is the last time I vote for content I won't use. We currently do the same thing anyways, we sit there slaving away at tokens for a couple of hours to have the CHANCE at a defender, the difference here is money is involved in the last stage in defenders Difference is you do PVE for the other tokens, and for the dragon defender "token" you'd have to do PVP, and I wouldn't touch runescape PVP with a five feet long stick.
Beatrix said:
Poop said:
Sjoerd said:
Just put in the Dragondefencer @the Warriors guild as a normal drop
This is just so stupid.
There are not even much pkers/bhers
05-Sep-2014 21:56:30
Greendor said: Players want it, very much. Players don't want to pk for it/a chance to get it Players do want a simple *untradeable* warriors guild related means of getting it. You guys have brought forward the idea of "Berserk Cyclopses" Solution: Option 1: You guys could simply add Berserk Cyclopses into the current warriors guild system that drop dragon defenders, they appear randomly just like they did upon release in the main game and are classed as a Demi Boss, say 100-150 combat or so and have a high chance of dropping the dragon defender! Option 2: You guys add a seperate room with Berserk Cyclopses that players can go in and specifically slaughter for a dragon defender with the same chance of getting one as all the other defenders. They could maybe be combat level between 90-110! Option 3: You add the Dragon Defender to the regular cyclops drop table at the same rarity rate as other defenders. It can only be obtained after you have recieved a rune defender (current system basically, could just be a "in other news" type post) I know this isn't really to do with Bounty hunter rewards, but I feel it's important that the guys know that if the dragon spike/defender idea fails the poll it's not becuase players don't want it per se, rather the means of getting it through pvp/bounty hunter! +1000 This please, NO d-defender from PVP.
Mod Ronan: Heres what we can summarise from the last 36 pages regarding the Dragon Defender:-
06-Sep-2014 11:06:58
And I'll be voting no for Dragon Defender if it comes from PVP, no matter what the stats are.
06-Sep-2014 18:42:03
Please vote no dragon spike. Dragon defender should not come from PVP. No way.
08-Sep-2014 14:06:48
Ze�n said: Dragon defender should not come from PVP. No way. As long as PVP is a part of the process of acquiring the defender, it comes from doing PVP. And since it's a best-in-slot item considering dps for PVE, I see no reason for putting the "token" for getting it in a PVP shop. I know it's tradeable, but can you imagine the demand? PVP community is a fraction of the whole community, while almost everyone does at least some PVE, skillers aside.
Beatrix said:
Please vote no dragon spike.
08-Sep-2014 16:01:32 - Last edited on 08-Sep-2014 16:03:36 by Beatrix
Cryogen said: Good job mate! *internet high five*
I voted no to Dragon Defender, simply because I don't think this is a good way to introduce it. Perhaps a bit selfish, but I don't want useful items like that to come from dangerous PvP activities. 
08-Sep-2014 16:04:17
rs-rotnet said: Good job mate! *internet high five* You're both idiots. There's absolutely no negative impact between having the Dragon Defender come out by simply killing more Cyclops after the Rune Defender and having it come out by requiring an item to unlock the new defender. The only difference is with the PvP shop, there's both rewards for PKing along with a gold sink to further stabilize the economy. You complained and complained about PvP rewards having a negative impact on the economy, yet you vote no against the only reward coming out that will actually improve it. You're both stupid, neither of you will ever PK a day in your life and because of you, one of the only profitable rewards that would have held it's value is going to be voted no on. Hopefully Jagex just re-polls this nonstop until it passes rather than accommodating stupid people. Nice ad hominem, mate. To me, D-Defender (or a token to access it) coming from PVP is a very negative thing. And implementing new things is never only black and white, saying one thing is bad and another is good, the game is played by many people and everyone has their own, unique opinion. Having a perfectly valid opinion on a controversial matter doesn't make anyone stupid. Insulting others over their opinion, however... well, shouldn't be tolerated. (Mods, do your work for once.)
Beatrix said:
Cryogen said:
I voted no to Dragon Defender, simply because I don't think this is a good way to introduce it. Perhaps a bit selfish, but I don't want useful items like that to come from dangerous PvP activities.
08-Sep-2014 17:26:48
rs-rotnet said: The difference is night and day. I don't like doing quests for items either, but that's always been the case for some items and I can't see a change in that. Besides once you have done the quest, you don't have to redo it for the item(s) in case you lose them. Barbarian assault and Pest control both suck, I hated doing them for torso and void. And since I think RS PvP is dog poo on a good day, I can't imagine enjoying doing it much at all. The price in GP for a spike is going to be ludicrous for a long time, as every single player with 60 def will want one, but only a fraction of the community is the "pvp community" that will be the main providers of them. I wouldn't mind if they put a shop in the Warrior's guild that sold dragon defenders for 1m+rune defender. I wouldn't mind if they gave access to the "berserk cyclops" for a monetary cost (another real money sink). I do mind that it's coming from the activity I have no interest in doing, in fact I'd rather eat donkey turds and down them with bleach than play RS PVP.
*bunch of flamebait that is waiting for a forum ban*
08-Sep-2014 17:52:04
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